Carlo / Karl Berger
étranger Published on September 25, 2008 under the title "Pride athesino " the columnist writes
Gabrielle Di Luca:
"I read in the blogg Concetta Failla Charles / Karl Berger opened his own personal blog. On the front page, Berger honored me with a very long comment to my piece " the Italians can do without ," appeared yesterday in the Courier in South Tyrol with the title "Those two worlds are separate and do not talk." I do not spread more from time to comment on Berger. Suffice it to say that he (as always) is inspired by something my (or others) to propose anew the usual spiel about Athesis, the land between the mountains and the river and so on.
Berger in essence has not understood much of my piece, but this is definitely not serious. Perhaps an example might be useful: why Berger's theories are completely unknown and are never discussed by the "German world" that he sees no "split" from the Italian, because (with it) common expression of culture athesina? Do not think that this popular culture "athesina" exists only in the head of Berger?
PS Even the Italians appear to be very interested in discussing the ideas of Berger. Just think of the successes by his son, Alberto, within the party Forza Italy.
answer:
a) "Suffice it to say that he (as always) is inspired by something my (or others) to propose anew the usual spiel about Athesis, the land between the mountains and the river and so on."
It: great my luck that there are people who, insisting in an inconsistent criticism, they offered me the opportunity to discuss my "theories" on the usual "tiratera" on Athesis. Fortunately for us the "pull" of certain Bloggs, the longest river Athesis, mostly distinctly inconclusive, largely nobly offensive, vulgar at times elegant, culturally impeccable, and appreciated by the great world of true intellectuals for their courtly language , are not called Athesis.
b) ... why Berger's theories are completely unknown and are never discussed by the "German world" that he feels "split" from the Italian, because (With it) common expression of culture athesina? Do not think that this popular culture "athesina" exists only in the head of Berger?
a) "We never discussed by the German world" because in life, and particularly in politics, neither party's interest to get the megaphone complaints or allegations risoltegli.
Apart from the fact that the statements of Athesis as Gabrielle Di Luca is now well known, are from the most important historians Tyrolean Etranger that has never been able to question. Only suggesting instead that the "Berger extracts from the texts by historians only as it suits them."
He knows that the challenging moves that Athesis the SVP says simply: "Why Südtiroler hate, despise, they want to demolish the word" Alto Adige "if history shows that the most important use of our river name precedes, accompanies, replaces the" Tirol "from at least 1270 at least until around 1490. Mr. Di Luca, but certainly more prepared than to prove this assertion extrapolate, of course, only all the citations of the term "Tirol", forgetting to analyze if necessary, by some remote and hidden hole, also the reference to emerge river and the mountains. Unfortunately not everyone is so knowledgeable!
c) "German world that he believes" divided from the Italian. "
For correct its semantics of this concept forward to a friendly indication of the texts which appear in such a statement of mine. Or a necessary correction.
d) "German and Italian world common expression of" culture athesina.
NO. Athesis Südtiroler try to remind them that the "history" (PLEASE DO NOT CULTURE) has its roots in history ("fluid," said Di Luca) from which:
"about Athesim in partibus Athesis, land Athesis for the Ets, Land an der Etsch, de ATHESIA / Athas.
persevering in my incorrigibly bad taste in wanting to urge the Italian-speaking South Tyrol to unleash a minimum of "pride athesino" to be a small little thought of wanting to curry favor with the first brave Durno wearing the uniform of South Tyrol (sorry: "sub-Tyrolean"), I invite the bold, funny, blogger signposts to honor in my home in Blog Pride athesino "because going to start a" boring "chronological display of pop - athesina historiography - the" strange "after Athesis (That has to do with the fluidity of the river?). Do not worry, we will not go in the early history or prehistory, but we work around the time pleasantly in the stories of Dante, Walther von der Vogelweide ...
Happy reading!
Orgoglio.athesino.worpress.com.
history of the emergence of the Adige reference in the history of our "land between the Adige and the Mountains" or the "land Athesis"
By Carlo / Karl Berger
The "partes Athasis" since they were Middle Ages one of the central domain of the first bishops of Trento and accounts of Appian and last, then the counts of Tyrol.
1270 (around) Goswin Monte Maria sometimes used "land Athesis" and also writes "Comitatus de Tirol Cumulative Tota land Athas ac omnibus appendiciis"
Otto Stolz wrote:
"Such use of the name" Etschland " we encounter in other documents is likely to be a witness to what the unique feature of this flap has affected the land the indigenous population and the Aliens' "
" The Adige Valley is probably the most important and richest of all County, its core and heart, and was therefore often used to represent the whole region "
" Das Etschland Mochta Wichtigste und das als Teil der ganzen reichste Grafschaft, als ihr Herz und Kern, Gelten Daher und gerne in diesem Sinne für das Ganze kurzer Hand eingesetzt werden. "
1282: The Bishop of Chur shows that none of the predecessors si mai era del dominium Tyrolensem sottoposto alla competenza Tribunale di un fuori dalla terra dei monti "(" Montana ")
1297th "Consuetudo iuris in partibus Athesis";
- Helpers aim del 1300: l'autore della rhyming chronicle affianca al termine "Tyrol". "Bi of the Adige and in the Inn valley"
1312: I "provisional terre" dovranno amministrare le entrate "in the county of Tyrol ze, the pei Eys, in Wibtal and the Intal".
1328: Re Enrico impone a tutti I giudici Funzionari e "in our county Tyrol ze, ez is the Adige river Oder in the Inn valley "....
1330 bi the Adige and the Intal O di Adige;
1330: arbitrage between the Emperor Louis and the Dukes of Austria for the County of Tyrol: Daz Bernese umb Etsche und die im Yntal.
1335: with the death of Henry, last Count of Gorizia, the emperor ... and Dukes .. agree to the partition of "Grafschaft Tirol," or Etsch an der Land, Land and inntal im Land im Gebirge ".
1339. In a contract, the Counts of Habsburg and Gorizia promise mutual aid in January Etschern den und wer die ze Grafschaft Tyrol innehat
1340 (around): Johann von Viktring, the more experienced and (slightly) reliable historian of East Germany in the fourteenth century writes ... does not mind the version "in partibus Athasis" and defines addirittura il Duca Ottone i Carinzia-Tirolo, "dux de Athesis"
1345 e nel 1571 l'Arciduca Ferdinand of Austria parla di "Adige" countries;
1347 il futuro margravio Carlo IV imperatore parla di "e di domination of land on the Adige River ";
1359: Documento con le disposizioni si Margareta a favore degli Asburgo:" our principality, the land and graf Schadt ze Tyrol and ze Gorizia and the area along the Adige "
1362 Mainardo III" in our country bey the Adige;
1363, 26 gennaio il Duca d'Rodolfo IV Asburgo erede dei "said unsrew Princ ... grafschefte ze to Tyrol and Gorizia, and the land area on the Adige and daz Intal mit der Burg Tyrol "
- members of the Teutonic use the term" Etscher "in the sense of" Tiroler "
1363: The Duke Rudolph tells the Doge of Venice, the acquisition of Tyrol he calls" earth Athesis "
- - under the Wittelsbach "Hauptmann im Gebirge und an der Etsch"
1363: Rudolph the Duke in his letter to the Doge is limited to a "land Athesis et comitatus"
- in the middle of the '300 Margarethe Maultasch is cited as "dominating Actasis "
- with the Duke Rudolf of Austria" Hauptmann der Grafschaft Tirol, des Landes an der Etsch, in dem Mountains and in the Inn Valley);
- "Adige" fu vera e propria Spesso usato come denominazione geografica, e soprattutto ciò nel XIV secolo ...",
1401: Re Ruperto parla ancora Tues county of Tyrol, the Land of the Adige and in the Inn valley ";
1406: Nuovo statuto regional Absburgico" country folk in the county ze Tyrol and the country along the Adige River and at the Inn "
1406 e 1432 il nobile tirolese of Stark Mountain: fellow at the Adige or Austria;
1415 gli abitanti della Contea del Tirolo abitanti della regione sono chiamati about Athesim Valle et in Eni, ma si cita anche il comitatus Athesis et Tyrolis;
1416: here at the Adige and by Intal;
1435: Die Grafschaft Tyrol mitsambt dem Land und das an der Etsch Intal), but also cites
Athesis comitatus et Tyrolis;
1442: King Frederick III wants to go to Augusta from the "region along the South" ("von der heraus Etsch" )
1444 is told of the conquest of Trent by Eytzscher.
1444 Enea Silvio Piccolomini, the future Pope Pius II uses the term Athesini
1488: "... the blocking of the road over the pass into the" Etschland "damages ..."
1489: "... a statement of earnings in some Habsburg territories, including the Etz;
- end of the fifteenth century: the word is used repeatedly in the province Athesina replacement of "Tirol" by the Bavarian historian Veit Arnpeck;
1489 and 1490: final culmination of a double name "Grafschaft Tirol und im Inntal"
and note that here the current Bundesland Tirol is called "und am Inn" but the name Tirol is paid to the "non Inntal" and that the Land an der Etsch, namely the current Südtirol. Now they are reverse sides and became a "SUB-Tyrol"
- even after the fifteenth century the Teutonic Order retained the name of "an der Ballee Etsch und im Gebirge"
- Tyrolean students enrolled at the universities of Vienna and Basel de Inchigen in ATHESIA and de Hallis in Atis "
- the Steirische Reimchronik Etschaere prefers the term, namely" Etschländer "
administrative reform in the seventeenth century by the Empress Maria Theresa:
1754, formed the following circles: high valley, low and high valley Val d'Isarco, Val Pusteria, and Burgraviato Venosta, land and all'Isarco Adige, the Italian borders.
1809: after the failed uprising, Tyrol, until then everything in the hands of Bavaria, was divided under the Austro-French Peace Treaty of Schönbrunn. The territory of the former episcopal principality of Trento and reviews the old Tyrolean below the line Neuhaus, Meltina, San Genesio, Wang, Castelpietra in Renon, Fiè Tires and were grouped according to use French in the Department of South Tyrol. "and in both cases were withdrawn from the dominion of Bavaria and given to the Italian Kingdom,
1816-1849: The state of Tyrol and Vorarlberg divided into circles of the other valley, the lower valley of Pusteria, along the Adige (Bolzano), of Trento, Rovereto and Vorarlberg. Large areas of South Tyrol were included in the "Circle Adige" (an der Kreis Etsch)
1919: according to current opinion as "Südtirol" would be born only after 1919, as an immediate consequence of the division of the Tyrol by the Treaty of Peace between Austria and Italy (St-Germain-an-Laye, September 10, 1919)
1923: The use of the term "Südtirol" limited to the future province of Bolzano were already after the end of the war and since 1923 had also been banned ....
1948: The word "Alps" was once again avoided in the first statute of autonomy, choosing to officially translate the Italian "Alto Adige" with "Tiroler Etschland"
(today we have reached the point of imposing the translation of "Alto Adige "in "South Tyrol"!)
The term "Etschländisches Tirol", most welcome to the representatives of Austrian and Tyrolean instead was refused because the Italian government thought it was too evocative dell'0antica joint membership of these two territories;
Etschland seemed much more based from the point Historically, since its variations of "Land an der Etsch", "bei der Etsch" and other combinations, had designated the area since the Middle Ages of the Adige valley, or the "Viertel" along the Adige, and, occasionally, the part of the county of Tyrol south of the Alps bordering the Inn Valley, as well to be used for a long time almost as a synonym for "Tirol"
1923: Otto Stolz in a commentary that appeared on the "Tiroler Heimat" says: "Without the Adige Valley, the valley is no longer Tyrol
( and then I can safely say that it is no longer the Inn Valley the "Tyrol" Athesis our land can not be called South Tyrol (Tirol-SUB) that is a sub-region of the Tyrol Inn Valley that is no longer Tyrol. CKB)
Giuseppe Albertoni writes:
"Much of the historiography devoted to these territories in the Middle Ages tended to project in the past an abstract idea of \u200b\u200bLand Tirol, almost like an "a priori" not historically developed "
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precisely at this point that all data so far exposed soni were derived from the text of Prof Klaus Brandstätter Uni-Innsbruck-titled "A history of the concept" Tirol " (blue ink) by Hans Heiss
+ Gustav Pfeifer, "Contributions to a history of the concept of" Südtirol "(dark green ink):
by Otto Stolz: Geschichte des Landes Tirol: Die Begriffe ... (red inks)
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